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	<title>Comments on: Skype = $30 or Gizmo = $624</title>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://iconnectdots.com/2007/05/skype_30gizmo_6.html/comment-page-1#comment-11337</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 17:18:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now you can make free calls if you use Gizmo5 in conjunction with Google Voice, at least for now.  Just set up google to forward to the sip number that gizmo gives you, and all calls you make through Gvoice are free, until Google decides to start charging anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now you can make free calls if you use Gizmo5 in conjunction with Google Voice, at least for now.  Just set up google to forward to the sip number that gizmo gives you, and all calls you make through Gvoice are free, until Google decides to start charging anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Dimensions Web Design</title>
		<link>http://iconnectdots.com/2007/05/skype_30gizmo_6.html/comment-page-1#comment-11332</link>
		<dc:creator>Dimensions Web Design</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 10:58:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We use Skype for all our home calling needs, along with a tracphone when we are out.
Our Skype call quality is far superior to our previous VOIP provider, and we have never had a problem with our calls.
That being said I don&#039;t support their proprietary standards, and recently went to Gizmo5.com to switch over.
However I found the website to be confusing, and I could not find out how much I would be paying for CallOut, CallIn, and OpenSkype services without being forced to sign up for an account, and add these services to it.
Result? Another 3 months with Skype...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We use Skype for all our home calling needs, along with a tracphone when we are out.<br />
Our Skype call quality is far superior to our previous VOIP provider, and we have never had a problem with our calls.<br />
That being said I don&#8217;t support their proprietary standards, and recently went to Gizmo5.com to switch over.<br />
However I found the website to be confusing, and I could not find out how much I would be paying for CallOut, CallIn, and OpenSkype services without being forced to sign up for an account, and add these services to it.<br />
Result? Another 3 months with Skype&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Borsch</title>
		<link>http://iconnectdots.com/2007/05/skype_30gizmo_6.html/comment-page-1#comment-664</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Borsch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 15:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed that the SIP protocol-based stuff has lots of advantages, but that wasn&#039;t the essence of my post. My point was that Gizmo was MUCH more expensive than Skype (and I&#039;ve seen ZERO evidence of an ebay underwriting of Skype...do you have any sources you can cite?).

I have another SIP-based offering that follows your logic and, I&#039;d argue, makes more sense than Gizmo: Vonage.

I pay Vonage less than $400 per year; unlimited North America; cheap rates elsewhere; they have a $9.95 per month client for your computer (which I don&#039;t use because of Skype); and if I head to our place in Arizona, I can unplug and pack the tiny box and hook it up there and all calls come to it.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed that the SIP protocol-based stuff has lots of advantages, but that wasn&#8217;t the essence of my post. My point was that Gizmo was MUCH more expensive than Skype (and I&#8217;ve seen ZERO evidence of an ebay underwriting of Skype&#8230;do you have any sources you can cite?).</p>
<p>I have another SIP-based offering that follows your logic and, I&#8217;d argue, makes more sense than Gizmo: Vonage.</p>
<p>I pay Vonage less than $400 per year; unlimited North America; cheap rates elsewhere; they have a $9.95 per month client for your computer (which I don&#8217;t use because of Skype); and if I head to our place in Arizona, I can unplug and pack the tiny box and hook it up there and all calls come to it.</p>
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		<title>By: Shadow</title>
		<link>http://iconnectdots.com/2007/05/skype_30gizmo_6.html/comment-page-1#comment-663</link>
		<dc:creator>Shadow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 08:07:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Skype doesnt seem to offer that anymore.

I&#039;d go with gizmo anyway, as you get vastly superior service, and it&#039;s true VOIP. it&#039;s interconnected with other VOIP networks, where skype is skype.

Gizmo can talk to gtalk users, FWD users, and even do &quot;backdoor dialing&quot; which unfortunately plays an annoying message when you call someone like a telemarketing ad, but is handy if say, you&#039;re out of minutes and you need to call someone, or have a very long convo with them ;)

That works by going though the VOIP subsystems many telcos are using. it&#039;s cool.

Skype only has better rates because of ebay&#039;s backing. otherwise, they couldnt offer an unlimited service at such a low price. I also dislike the 180 days policy where any unused minutes you paid for are thrown out by skype.

The other perk of gizmo = you dont have to use their client, it&#039;s handy for some things, but if you want to use their service with a smaller, streamlined VOIP app or phone (a real VOIP phone) it&#039;ll work.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Skype doesnt seem to offer that anymore.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d go with gizmo anyway, as you get vastly superior service, and it&#8217;s true VOIP. it&#8217;s interconnected with other VOIP networks, where skype is skype.</p>
<p>Gizmo can talk to gtalk users, FWD users, and even do &#8220;backdoor dialing&#8221; which unfortunately plays an annoying message when you call someone like a telemarketing ad, but is handy if say, you&#8217;re out of minutes and you need to call someone, or have a very long convo with them <img src='http://iconnectdots.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>That works by going though the VOIP subsystems many telcos are using. it&#8217;s cool.</p>
<p>Skype only has better rates because of ebay&#8217;s backing. otherwise, they couldnt offer an unlimited service at such a low price. I also dislike the 180 days policy where any unused minutes you paid for are thrown out by skype.</p>
<p>The other perk of gizmo = you dont have to use their client, it&#8217;s handy for some things, but if you want to use their service with a smaller, streamlined VOIP app or phone (a real VOIP phone) it&#8217;ll work.</p>
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		<title>By: David Beckemeyer</title>
		<link>http://iconnectdots.com/2007/05/skype_30gizmo_6.html/comment-page-1#comment-662</link>
		<dc:creator>David Beckemeyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2007 18:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I question whether anyone would really make 100% of their calls on their PC using Gizmo or Skype, so weigh that before you fall too much in love with Skype&#039;s $30/yr. plan -- especially given the many reports of quality issues (such as http://www.toyz.org/mrblog/archives/00000258.html and http://www.telepocalypse.net/archives/001085.html)

PhoneGnome offers a $14.95 per month plan with unlimited calling to US/Canada, that works on your regular phone or PC. $180 per year is a lot less than $624 and more convenient (you just pick up the same phone you use now and dial, no switching your current service or adding a VoIP bat-phone) http://www.phonegnome.com/minutes.html
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I question whether anyone would really make 100% of their calls on their PC using Gizmo or Skype, so weigh that before you fall too much in love with Skype&#8217;s $30/yr. plan &#8212; especially given the many reports of quality issues (such as <a href="http://www.toyz.org/mrblog/archives/00000258.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.toyz.org/mrblog/archives/00000258.html</a> and <a href="http://www.telepocalypse.net/archives/001085.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.telepocalypse.net/archives/001085.html</a>)</p>
<p>PhoneGnome offers a $14.95 per month plan with unlimited calling to US/Canada, that works on your regular phone or PC. $180 per year is a lot less than $624 and more convenient (you just pick up the same phone you use now and dial, no switching your current service or adding a VoIP bat-phone) <a href="http://www.phonegnome.com/minutes.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.phonegnome.com/minutes.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Lenny</title>
		<link>http://iconnectdots.com/2007/05/skype_30gizmo_6.html/comment-page-1#comment-661</link>
		<dc:creator>Lenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 22:28:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve actually posted messages in the Gizmo Project forum about unlimited calling.  Their policy is against unlimited plans.

http://forum.gizmoproject.com/viewtopic.php?t=6602&amp;highlight=&amp;sid=14d1317470ba63bbdb23916135c1b8f6

Too bad.  I much rather use the open SIP protocol for many reasons, the primary being that I am no longer tied to any particular service.  The other is that I can use an ATA and have all of my home analog phones work like normal phones work.  To obtain the same with Skype, I must use a USB adapter connected to a computer running Skype software.  I do NOT like that approach at all.  Hardware-only for my primary home communications.

I am often tempted by the skype offer, but for now, I will just stay with Vonage.

One other noteworthy point - Grandcentral is a great free service (www.grandcentral.com) that integrates with Gizmo project and works with all of your phones.  I&#039;ve been testing it for a few months and it&#039;s a great service.  You should check it out in case you&#039;re not already aware of it.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve actually posted messages in the Gizmo Project forum about unlimited calling.  Their policy is against unlimited plans.</p>
<p><a href="http://forum.gizmoproject.com/viewtopic.php?t=6602&#038;highlight=&#038;sid=14d1317470ba63bbdb23916135c1b8f6" rel="nofollow">http://forum.gizmoproject.com/viewtopic.php?t=6602&#038;highlight=&#038;sid=14d1317470ba63bbdb23916135c1b8f6</a></p>
<p>Too bad.  I much rather use the open SIP protocol for many reasons, the primary being that I am no longer tied to any particular service.  The other is that I can use an ATA and have all of my home analog phones work like normal phones work.  To obtain the same with Skype, I must use a USB adapter connected to a computer running Skype software.  I do NOT like that approach at all.  Hardware-only for my primary home communications.</p>
<p>I am often tempted by the skype offer, but for now, I will just stay with Vonage.</p>
<p>One other noteworthy point &#8211; Grandcentral is a great free service (www.grandcentral.com) that integrates with Gizmo project and works with all of your phones.  I&#8217;ve been testing it for a few months and it&#8217;s a great service.  You should check it out in case you&#8217;re not already aware of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Kennedy</title>
		<link>http://iconnectdots.com/2007/05/skype_30gizmo_6.html/comment-page-1#comment-660</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Kennedy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 18:53:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Valid points. One thing to note is that because of Gizmo&#039;s SIP support, you actually do have flexibility in your choice of VOIP to PSTN provider. The Gizmo client will work with any of them, configured correctly. You&#039;re still not (yet) going to find a $30/year deal, but you can get a lot cheaper than $624/year.

http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/VOIP+Service+Providers+Residential

You&#039;re still talking probably the $200/year range for unlimited calling, but even that is driving down quickly. It&#039;s the PSTN integration that unfortunately has an unavoidable cost; Skype is able to eat that cost in an effort to increase their customer base. But you pay a cost there...your lock-in to Skype is almost total, whereas with SIP you can move about if prices, plans, or terms of service change. I&#039;m personally willing to pay more for that, but I realize some people aren&#039;t.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Valid points. One thing to note is that because of Gizmo&#8217;s SIP support, you actually do have flexibility in your choice of VOIP to PSTN provider. The Gizmo client will work with any of them, configured correctly. You&#8217;re still not (yet) going to find a $30/year deal, but you can get a lot cheaper than $624/year.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/VOIP+Service+Providers+Residential" rel="nofollow">http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/VOIP+Service+Providers+Residential</a></p>
<p>You&#8217;re still talking probably the $200/year range for unlimited calling, but even that is driving down quickly. It&#8217;s the PSTN integration that unfortunately has an unavoidable cost; Skype is able to eat that cost in an effort to increase their customer base. But you pay a cost there&#8230;your lock-in to Skype is almost total, whereas with SIP you can move about if prices, plans, or terms of service change. I&#8217;m personally willing to pay more for that, but I realize some people aren&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Kris Tuttle</title>
		<link>http://iconnectdots.com/2007/05/skype_30gizmo_6.html/comment-page-1#comment-659</link>
		<dc:creator>Kris Tuttle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 00:08:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sure the Gizmo folks won&#039;t love this headline.  As a heavy Skype user (we also closely track and publish Skype adoption in our published research each month) they do appear to really have a brand and a collection of features that work.  Adoption for business use also looks very strong based on time of day usage analysis.

I don&#039;t think unlimited US calling on Gizmo would do anything for me in terms of switching but better integration into mobile access and use would be something that could put them way ahead of Skype if they could pull it off.  My understanding was that because of SIP they would have a better chance of doing this versus Skype but haven&#039;t seen that aspect emerge anywhere yet.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure the Gizmo folks won&#8217;t love this headline.  As a heavy Skype user (we also closely track and publish Skype adoption in our published research each month) they do appear to really have a brand and a collection of features that work.  Adoption for business use also looks very strong based on time of day usage analysis.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think unlimited US calling on Gizmo would do anything for me in terms of switching but better integration into mobile access and use would be something that could put them way ahead of Skype if they could pull it off.  My understanding was that because of SIP they would have a better chance of doing this versus Skype but haven&#8217;t seen that aspect emerge anywhere yet.</p>
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